Here is a hotly contested issue in some circles: the supposed clash between Luke and Josephus on the dating of Theudas. Let me explain.
Some scholars and critics claim that biblical author Luke had read a book called Antiquities by Jewish historian Josephus, and borrowed his material, in order to invent fake scenes in the book of Acts, only to get the real details wrong. Supposing this was true, then this would undermine Luke as a historian. I don’t find that Luke had read Josephus at all. But what’s the case put forward by some critics, and how does it rate?
Some scholars and critics claim that biblical author Luke had read a book called Antiquities by Jewish historian Josephus, and borrowed his material, in order to invent fake scenes in the book of Acts, only to get the real details wrong. Supposing this was true, then this would undermine Luke as a historian. I don’t find that Luke had read Josephus at all. But what’s the case put forward by some critics, and how does it rate?
Well, take this for their case. Acts 5, where Jesus’ Galilean
apostles are hauled before the Jewish authorities where Gamaliel speaks. This
is set in the 30s of the first century. Luke’s story sees Gamaliel smearing the
apostles by slyly comparing them with two troublesome characters, Judas the
Galilean and Theudas. Here’s the thing. Historian Josephus too has something to
say about characters of the same names. Both writers do so in a short passage
of their books. Both have the names Theudas and Judas in the same order.
Coincidence? Did Luke rip his material off Josephus? Or vice versa?
Taking material from other writers in general wouldn’t be a
problem. After all, Luke openly declares up front that he researches what
others have written before him (Luke 1:1-4). But that doesn’t mean he had read
Josephus. Two issues:
1) dating: if Luke took material
from the published text of Josephus’ Antiquities (published c. 93AD), then Luke
wrote Acts after 92AD. For those such as myself who date Acts early,
that position would be seriously in doubt. It wouldn’t mean that the author Luke
didn’t do what he says in the book, such as meeting Paul and James in the 50s
of the first century. But it means extra work for the historian in working out
just how much after 93AD, and that becomes another contest.
2) confidence: if Luke and
Josephus contradict each other, which one should we trust? Is there a smoking
gun that suggests that Luke was indeed copying off Josephus and making errors?
Is the Judas and Theudas issue such a smoking gun? It has to be said that Luke’s
details are not a perfect match for Josephus’ details, whether he had read
Josephus or not. Why? Accident or design? Could both of them be right in some
way or other? Are we even reading the evidence the right way?
See how a can of worms can be opened? Those are the issues. Many
fair-minded people err towards doubting Luke. But there are also people on two
'sides' who are heavily invested in wanting the Bible to be either right or
wrong, making it easy to take sides. This blog is not about taking pre-scripted
sides. It’s about getting to the truth of things, which sometimes takes us on
unexpected journeys and down little known alleyways.
As an aside, lots of factors can be taken into account in
telling the date when Luke wrote Acts. Likewise, there are a lot of factors we
take account of to say whether Luke was a good historian, such as his
remarkable command of details of people and places (data often not found in
Josephus).
This post, however, is just about this one test case: the
mentions of Judas the Galilean and Theudas (we don’t know where he was from). And,
as is my wont, I will do in depth evidence analysis, as you find less of that
elsewhere on this subject. Here is what Luke wrote. In this scene, set in the
30s of the first century, Jewish leader Gamaliel unexpectedly equates Peter and
the apostles with the reputations of trouble-makers Judas the Galilean and
Theudas:
‘Peter and the
apostles answered, “We must obey God rather than men…”
Then [Gamaliel] addressed the
Sanhedrin:
“Men of Israel, consider
carefully what you intend to do to these men.
Some time ago Theudas appeared,
claiming to be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was
killed, all his followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing.
After him, Judas the Galilean
appeared in the days of the census and led a band of people in revolt. He too
was killed, and all his followers were scattered.
Notice that Luke says that Judas the G came on the scene
after Theudas did, and regards both their efforts as failures. I will take the
case of ‘Judas the Galilean’ first for reasons that will become clear. Our task
starts by working out whether Luke took his material about Judas the G from
Josephus.
Judas the Galilean, 6AD: Josephus was not Luke's source
Here is the passage in Luke and one in Josephus which
supposedly are one part of the smoking gun of Luke’s dependence on the other. It’s
a story set long before Josephus was born and very possibly before Luke was
born. Therefore, both were dependent on unidentified sources for their
information about Judas the Galilean. The sheer lack of a smoking gun here
should be immediately obvious in the differences between the passages:
Josephus’
Antiquities
Book 20.5.1: Then came Tiberius Alexander, as successor to Fadus… the sons of Judas of Galilee were now slain: I mean of that Judas, who caused the people to revolt, when
Cyrenius came to take an account of the
estates of the Jews; as we have shewed in a foregoing book. The names of
those sons were James and Simon:
whom Alexander commanded to be crucified.
Luke’s Acts 5:37: ‘… Judas the Galilean appeared in the days
of the registration and led a band of people in revolt. He too
was killed, and all his followers were
scattered.’
The emphasis in bold is mine to draw your attention to
differences. The problems are multiple, if we seek to make a case that Luke was merely going from Book 20.
It’s difficult to argue that what Josephus wrote changed into what Luke wrote:
- Why would the death of Judas’s sons (Josephus) change to being about the death of Judas himself (in Luke)? That’s not what borrowing looks like.
- Why does Luke give the impression that Judas was a failure and his influence ended sharply during the era of Cyrenius? Whereas Josephus spreads Judas’ influence, through his sons, into the much later era of Fadus.
- What is Luke’s source for Judas being killed? Not Josephus, who never even indicates that Judas ever got caught!
- What is Luke’s source for the people being scattered? Not Josephus.
- Why would “caused the people” (in Josephus) become merely “led a band“ (in Luke)?
- That’s a big shift down, from “the people” to just “a band”. We know that Josephus had an agenda to exaggerate this, which has apparently had no influence on Luke’s more modest report.
- Why would “account of the estates of the Jews” (Josephus) become vaguely “the registration” (Luke)?
- A ‘registration’ could be any of a number of things, a census, a tax, an oath to Caesar, whatever. Luke leaves it a loose end.
Luke seems to have no interest in Josephus’ content, and a
simple explanation for that would be that it had never been before his eyes. It
scarcely bears the faintest resemblance to Josephus. So why leap to the
conclusion that Luke’s material here is from Josephus’ Antiquities Book 20? And
where did Luke get his unique material from?
And note how Luke gets chronology right here. If he was
borrowing off Antiquities 20, then it would be Luke showing himself to be
smart. It would then be notable that Luke: intelligently spotted that the story
of Judas was old enough for Gamaliel to speak of it; and intelligently left
Judas’ sons out, as they were in the future of Gamaliel. I will talk about the
significance of that when I come to Theudas.
So, I would conclude that critics don’t have a case for
Luke borrowing here, but can the critics’ case be salvaged?
Josephus directs the reader to his “foregoing book”, which
is Antiquities Book 18. So perhaps we should look here for Luke’s source
material. But if we try that, the critics’ own problems only multiply. The
arguments I will set out here are as follows:
- Luke still has the above unique details about the outcome of the story, which are again proven not to be not from Josephus.
- Luke seems oblivious to key information that Josephus reveals: that Judas the G had a Pharisee ally.
- Josephus positions Judas the G as a violent extremist and radically distances himself from Judas as a matter of absolute necessity. Whereas Luke innocently allows comparison between Jesus’ Galilean apostles and Judas the Galilean. and lets it go without comment. It is inconceivable that Luke would hook the church up to such a dangerous comparison if he knew it was so reputation-harming, as Luke would know if he had actually read Josephus’ highly polarised and toxic account of Judas. It indicates that Luke had a different relatively harmless source about Judas.
- I will also explain in a footnote why scholars recognise Josephus’ account to be untrustworthy, an issue that undermines any case for giving too much weight to Josephus’ reliability in this whole passage, affecting our confidence in his coverage of Judas and Theudas.
Now, Luke’s heroes, the apostles, were commoners from
backwater Galilee. So was this Judas. Before we see what Josephus wrote about
him in Book 18, for ease of reference, here is Luke’s Acts 5:37 again:
“Judas the Galilean appeared in
the days of the registration and led a band of people in revolt. He too was
killed, and all his followers were scattered.”
It’s unadorned simplicity. As said, it mainly invites an
unflattering comparison between the Galilean apostles and this rebel Galilean
Judas, but Luke doesn’t seem to regard it as overly problematic to include this
equation. He doesn’t even bother to issue a rebuttal. He just lets it go. It’s
no big deal. It’s just a mean comparison delivered by Gamaliel’s silver tongue.
Did Luke rip any of that brief material off Josephus’ Book 18? Surely not. The
case for this is just as weak as it was for Josephus’ Book 20. Why say so?
Well, what a much more alarming picture of Judas the G, and
different picture overall, we get when we read Josephus’ Antiquities Book 18:
Judas the Galilean…
Yet was there one Judas,
a Gaulonite; of a city whose name was Gamala; who, taking with him Saddouk, a
Pharisee, became zealous to draw them to a revolt: who both said that this
taxation was no better than an introduction to slavery: and exhorted the nation
to assert their liberty... All sorts of misfortunes also sprang from these men;
and the nation was infected with this doctrine to an incredible degree. One
violent war came upon us after another: and we lost our friends, which used to
alleviate our pains: there were also very great robberies, and murders of our
principal men... Nay the sedition at last increased so high, that the very
temple of God was burnt down by the enemies’ fire... Which these men occasioned
by their thus conspiring together. For Judas and Sadducus, who excited a
fourth philosophick sect among us, and had a great many followers therein,
filled our civil government with tumults at present, and laid the foundations
of our future miseries, by this system of philosophy, which we before were
unacquainted withal... These men agree in all other things with the Pharisaick
notions… (emphasis added)
This is ridiculously over the top from Josephus, and I’ll
break down why that is. But firstly, let’s check Luke again:
Acts 5:37: ‘… Judas the Galilean appeared in the days
of the registration and led a band of people in revolt. He too
was killed, and all his followers were
scattered.’
Again, it’s difficult to argue that what Josephus wrote
changed into what Luke wrote, Here’s what I mean:
- Why would “the nation was infected with this doctrine to an incredible degree” (in Josephus) become merely “led a band“ (in Luke)? This is a radically different version of events.
- How can Luke produce merely ‘revolt’ from “One violent war came upon us after another… very great robberies, and murders of our principal men… the very temple of God was burnt down... Judas and Sadducus, who excited a fourth philosophick sect among us, and had a great many followers therein, filled our civil government with tumults at present…” It’s nonsense to suppose that so much toxicity could be so glossed over as to produce Luke’s tame text: “led a band of people in revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered.”
- Why would the argument that Judas the G was a precursor to the war with Rome, indirectly the cause that ‘the very temple of God was burnt down’ (in Josephus) become an ephemeral event that was a ‘fail’ (in Luke)?
What else is worthy of note? Well…
1. Luke is oblivious
to key information that Josephus is forced to reveal:
- Luke does not have Sadduc in his story of Judas the G. But if Luke had read Antiquities Book 18, then there is no obvious reason why he wouldn’t have written something like “Judas the Galilean and Sadduc appeared”. Book 18 is therefore even less likely to be Luke’s source.
- Although you would never know it from Luke, Josephus mentions that Judas the G and Sadduc spread a new ‘philosophy’, and that the dispute was to a degree about paying a tax. It all reads like they had different sources.
2. Luke has unique
details about the outcome of the story
Luke has important details that Josephus doesn’t, and vice
versa. Whereas Luke mentions that Judas perished and his band was scattered,
you would never know that from Josephus, and could easily imagine from reading
Josephus that Judas never got caught.
To Luke, Judas the G was nothing more than a here-today gone-tomorrow
revolutionary of no lasting significance, who perished, his bandy scattered.
Luke didn’t think that Gamaliel’s smear was a problematic thing to include,
because he didn’t know that Judas the G could become such a problematic figure
of such lasting influence. But in Josephus’ hands, writing decades after the
Jewish War, Judas the G becomes the start of the end for Judea, the co-founder
of a sinister philosophy that sowed the seeds of the Jewish War. So, if Judas
was not such a bogeyman when Luke was
writing, then how could Judas become so toxic when Josephus writes?
The reason why Luke did not know that Judas the G was
someone to radically distance yourself from was because Josephus hadn’t made
that up yet, and Luke finished writing his book before Josephus started
contriving and rewriting history.
3. Distancing
yourselves from a hate figure
So, Josephus makes Judas the G (6AD) a scapegoat, a man of
lasting influence, the co-founder of anti-Roman sentiment with devastating
consequences, a primary cause of Judea’s catastrophic war with Rome (66-70AD),
who co-founded a new ‘philosophy’ fermenting the long struggle (albeit 60 years
before the Jewish War finally started!).
If Luke had read this toxic passage in Josephus Book 18, he
would have an interest in distancing his heroes from any such comparison too,
not have the apostles all tarred with the same brush. It is incomprehensible that
Luke would blithely include (or even invent) a scene unnecessarily and
guilelessly equating his Christian heroes with the founder of a devastating
trend of violence. It could damage his heroes, something the church would want
to avoid.
If there’s one thing about Luke, he doesn’t come across as a
madman who stirs up trouble for believers. Luke characteristically smooths
troubled waters and portrays Christians as people whom the Romans can trust. Luke
seems to have no inkling either that Judas the G was a precursor to the Jewish
War.
Summary regarding
Judas the Galilean
In summary, we have seen how it is that Judas was not such a
bogeyman when Luke was writing, but is
painted as very toxic when Josephus
writes.
Luke couldn’t have got from Josephus Book 20 that Judas the
G was killed, that he was a ‘fail’ of no lasting concern, that he had merely a
band and they were scattered. Josephus Books 18 and 20 have failed to
communicate to Luke that Judas the G had a Pharisee ally and significant sons, a philosophy that infected the nation (!), a lasting and major influence, a cause of the war, and that Judas was a figure to radically distance yourself
from right up to the time of Josephus writing in the 90s. Indeed, if Josephus were right, then the toxic influence of Judas the G and his sons was bubbling under even at the time when Gamaliel was supposedly delivering his speech in which Judas the G was apparently merely a past 'fail.'
A reasonable conclusion is that when Luke was writing,
Judas’ reputation was not as toxic as nuclear fallout – because Josephus had not yet made it so. Luke was writing without
knowledge of Josephus’ work. It’s the same Judas the G, but radically different
versions that can hardly be the same story from one source.
Now, if Luke and Josephus had different sources for Judas
the Galilean, and Luke did not get his material from Josephus, then it
drastically reduces the likelihood that Luke got Theudas from Josephus. Indeed,
the next question – Theudas - becomes a moot point. The critics’ case about
Luke borrowing the two stories together collapses. Remember, the charge is that
Luke got information about both Judas and Theudas from a single section of
Antiquities 20 and muddled the order of the two. But as we have established that
surely one of these stories was not
taken from Antiquities anyway, then the charge falls away. But let’s look at
Theudas anyway.
Theudas: Josephus was not Luke's source
Luke has a story which he sets prior to 6AD. Josephus has a
story set in the 40s of the first century. Both feature a trouble-maker called
Theudas. These are the only rebel Theudases known to history. Neither of the
two accounts are corroborated by other sources. Luke would be relating a story
from before he was born. Josephus in his 50s would be recalling events from
when he was about 7 years old, supplemented from any other sources he may have
had.
Why do critics think that Luke ripped these stories off
Josephus? Well they hang the whole theory off the following:
- the fact that both writers mention the same two rebel names, Judas and Theudas – coincidence?
- that both writers mention the names in the same order, first Theudas, then Judas – coincidence?
Assuming an awful lot off that, the sceptical claim is that they are the same story, and Luke found
Josephus telling the stories, the story of Theudas first and the more ancient
story of Judas the G next. Critics claim that this left Luke’s memory
confused, and Luke, keeping the names in the same order, erred into imagining
that Josephus’ Theudas appeared before Judas
the G, pre-6AD.
The argument I will make here is as follows: Luke and
Josephus are telling two completely different stories about different
troublemakers. The coincidence of the name is the only mystery to solve. I am
not taking a new position, but am analysing the evidence in more depth than you
find in general.
Chronology in Luke’s
Acts
Luke’s Acts reports Gamaliel in the 30s of the first century
saying this:
“Men of Israel, consider carefully
what you intend to do to these men. Some time ago Theudas appeared, claiming to
be somebody, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his
followers were dispersed, and it all came to nothing.
After him, Judas the Galilean
appeared in the days of the registration [6AD] and led a band of people in
revolt. He too was killed, and all his followers were scattered.”’ (Acts
5:29, 35-37)
To clarify the supposed smoking gun: on the one hand Josephus
has effectively dated his Theudas in the 40s of the first century during
Claudius reign, after Judas the
Galilean (and in effect after Luke’s
Gamaliel scene). But Luke effectively dates his Theudas before his Gamaliel scene, and before
Judas, before 6AD. This would be
embarrassing if Luke reports someone in the 30s looking back to events that had
not occurred yet, and wouldn’t until the 40s. The critics’
argument is that Luke did not keep correct the chronology here. Rather he
simply kept them in the same order in which he read them in Josephus, but
forgot a crucial detail from Josephus: that chronologically it’s the other way
round, and Theudas (40s AD) came after
Judas (6AD) chronologically. If Luke’s only source was Josephus, then Josephus
is the one to trust and Luke “got them in the wrong order” is the argument.
Names and chronology
But it’s misleading to pick out from Josephus two names as
if Josephus was just talking about two. Whereas, Luke names only two people in
Gamaliel’s speech, Josephus (In Antiquities Book
20.5.1-2:) is actually giving us a swirling
myriad of names of which these are just two. If Luke had a different two from
the swirl, would we still say it was a strange coincidence? Just in 20:5:1-2,
there are these names in this order: the procurator Fadus, Theudas, the procurator Tiberius Alexander, his son Alexander,
Queen Helena, the sons of Judas of
Galilee (James and Simon), Judas, Herod King of Chalcis, Joseph the son of
Camydus, Ananias the son of Nebedus, Cumanus, Herod brother of Agrippa dying in
the reign of Claudius Caesar (by far
the most mighty name in this list), Aristobulus, Bernicianus, Hyrcanus, Bernice,
Agrippa junior. Claudius Caesar is mentioned many times before and after this. Of
course, our attention is centred on the two Jewish rebels in the list, Theudas
and Judas the G. (I’ll show the passage a bit further down.)
But what is generally overlooked is that Luke’s story does
not have any other name from that
list, only Theudas and Judas the G. Again, it’s not a clear borrowing.
The critics’ theory, that Luke has got his chronology wrong
by carelessly borrowing two out of that heap of names, also depends on Luke
overlooking all of that context which generally hovers around the 40s of the
first century, including overlooking the biggest name in the list, Claudius
Caesar, which is an unlikely assumption for at least three reasons:
- given that Claudius’ name appears in Josephus’ Book 20 much more frequently, both before and after the two mentions of Theudas’ name.
- given that Luke more than once names Claudius in Acts without getting the chronology wrong there, so we know he could be sensitive to this sort of detail.
And given a third reason: that is, how coherent is the case
of Luke muddling the details, given that the general context here is the 40s?
If he had read Josephus, then it would be notable that Luke smartly and
successfully moves Judas the G out correctly and into the pre-Gamaliel era,
taking the mention of a ‘registration’ under Cyrenius as a signal to do so.
That adjustment would be commendable given that, in Josephus, Judas is not in
chronological sequence in relation to
the whole passage (not merely in relation to Theudas). This unchronological moment occurs in Josephus simply because Josephus
is really talking about Judas’ sons etc., making Judas’ name appear after Theudas (but centred around the
40s era). If Luke had read Josephus, we would have to congratulate Luke on
spotting that and shipping Judas the G out and into the correct era.
In Luke had read
Josephus and picked up that little dating clue, would the entire 40s context of
this part of Book 20 with its more numerous dating clues be erased from Luke’s
mind when it comes to Theudas? Would
he really happen to recall only a fairly random thing: that Josephus tells the
story about Theudas before the one about Judas? Did a dog eat Luke’s homework?
The critics' case that Luke took Theudas and Judas as a piece from Book 20 is not
compelling. It is decidedly iffy, making Luke smart when they want him
to be, and stupid when they want him to be, even when dealing with the same
passage. This is not methodologically sound.
In any case, given that Josephus’ Theudas and Judas stories
are embedded in a huge chunk of data set in the 40s of the first century in
Claudius’ reign, if a ‘stupid’ Luke (supposing he read Josephus) was going to make
an error, it would be to leave Judas the G untouched, accidentally assuming it
to belong in the 40s. And he would find something else for Gamaliel to talk
about. But he doesn’t – Luke correctly places Judas the G earlier, which means
(supposing he borrowed from Josephus) he knew how to rearrange the dating to put
Judas the G in an earlier era. It’s questionable to try to make Luke smart and
stupid at the same time. To argue such would need better evidence than afforded
by these passages.
As an aside, if Luke were writing before Josephus, or
perhaps even afterwards, it is realistic to think that the events of the 40s
were contemporary with Luke’s life just as they were for Josephus. If that were
the case, Luke would be even more unlikely
to overlook Josephus’ words “while Fadus was procurator of Judea”, or much of the rest of it, which
makes this contemporary to Luke himself. From that, it is even more difficult
to see how Luke would then place a 40s Theudas story before the time of Gamaliel.
So arguing for a
chronological mistake is a stretch to start with. But let’s commence evidence
analysis of the stories.
Same name, different
stories?
The whole sceptical theory hangs off this: both
authors mention the same rebel names, Judas and Theudas. On the second name there
is a problem only if they both mean the same Theudas. If it’s the same man,
then it means one of the authors has got their chronology wrong about this
Theudas, and lost brownie points as a historian. It doesn’t follow that one
copied from the other – which seems most unlikely, as we will see further.
What if they are not the same story? That is indeed how it
seems. Here are the passages on the Theudases. Luke’s Acts
5:36 has these succint details, again spoken by Gamaliel in the 30s of the
first century:
“Some time ago
Theudas appeared, saying he was something, and about four hundred men rallied to him. He was killed, all his followers were dispersed, and
it all came to nothing.”
Josephus’ Antiquities 20:5.1,
has these details, set in the 40s. I’ve emphasised passages in bold which
illustrate key differences:
“Now it came to pass, while Fadus was procurator of Judea, that
a certain magician, whose name was Theudas,
persuaded a great part of the people
to take their effects with them, and
follow him to the river Jordan. For he told them he was a prophet: and that he would, by his own
command, divide the river, and
afford them an easy passage over it. And many were deluded by his words.
However, Fadus did not permit them to make any advantage of his wild attempt:
but sent a troop of horsemen out against them. Who falling upon them
unexpectedly, slew many of them, and
took many of them alive. They also took Theudas alive, and cut off his
head, and carried it to Jerusalem”.
(NB, it says that Theudas was taken to be a magician and a
prophet, not as you sometimes find claimed a ‘messiah’.)
Once again, it’s difficult to argue that what Josephus wrote
changed into what Luke wrote. The first one is a plain contradiction that is so
fatal that the further points are secondary:
- Why would “slew many of them, and took many of them alive” become “all his followers were dispersed”? Slew/captured is the opposite of ‘all were dispersed’.
- Why would a story that Theudas was beheaded and the head taken to Jerusalem become merely that he was killed?
- And look at the two halves of the above. Slew/captured cannot reasonably become ‘all were dispersed’ and therefore we have to doubt that Josephus was the source for the first half either, Luke’s mere ‘killed’.
- Why would Josephus specifying that it was the Romans who killed his Theudas become the anonymous killers found in Luke?
- Why would the attention-grabbing “magician… prophet” merely become a vague “something”?
- According to Luke, Theudas was “saying he was something” (λέγων εἶναί τινα ἑαυτόν). Luke seems indifferent or unsure what that was, and this is not a problem if he was writing about events before 6AD, probably before he was born.
- Why would people carrying their effects (in Josephus) become ‘men rallied’ (in Luke)?
- Why would “a great part of the people” be reduced to the more specific “about four hundred men”?
- The Christian Thinktank website helpfully points out that ‘The following paragraph in Josephus recounts a massacre of over 20,000 people, so a band of only 400 would probably not be 'newsworthy' enough for Josephus to even mention.’ It makes sense that Josephus was juxtaposing two major episodes. Luke was speaking from a different source, and it seems about a more minor story.
If Luke had read Josephus, he seems uninterested in Josephus’
content. It’s difficult to see that Josephus was Luke’s source. It’s difficult
to say that they are even telling the same story.
Being different stories, as seems to be the case, makes
sense of the chronological difference (where Josephus has his Theudas in the
era of the 40s of the first century, long after
Judas the G; whereas Luke has his Theudas in the era before 6AD, before his Gamaliel scene, and before Judas the G).
If the name Theudas were not there, nobody would be imagining that they could be the same story. It’s
only because the name Theudas occurs in both stories that anyone would hold
onto a belief that they are the same story, or that anyone would try to explain
away a string of significant differences.
As an aside, if these were two gospels, form critics would
have a field day, if they were told that these were two versions
of the same story, they would probably say that Acts’ simpler story was written
first, and over time, the stories have been elaborated, and embellishments added,
leading up to the more lavish detail written up later by Josephus, resulting in
obvious contradictions. That’s just an aside. I don’t believe that they are the
same story. Hence the contradictions!
In short, Josephus has a story without external
corroboration, and Luke has a different story without external corroboration.
Josephus has a character called Theudas without external corroboration, and
Luke has a different character called Theudas without external corroboration.
Playing one off against the other doesn’t really work. The match of the
name (coupled with the fact that it accompanies a story of Judas the G) does
not carry enough weight to overcome the significant and numerous differences
and problems. It’s very difficult to make these two stories literally the same
story from one source. Stories of rebellions can easily have common elements,
but these two stories distinctly lack them.
The name
If they are not the same story, then the real question is not
whether one was copied from the other. The real question is just how did the
same name, Theudas, come to be attached to both stories?
Here are some of the suggested possibilities that one finds to
explain this:
1) We reflect on the fact that the man’s name ‘Theudas’ was
a cognomen of a large group of names including Theodotus, Matthias and
Jonathan, a popular name because of the influence of the Maccabean warrior king
Jonathan (161-43BC). If Luke wrote mid-to-late first century, then
Theudas is a name he could easily know, just as Josephus would, and could
substitute it as a contemporary cognomen for a Jewish name.
So, what we might imagine is that there was, say, some ‘Jonathan’
or ‘Matthias’, who could fit the bill of Luke’s description of Theudas. A
weakness of this argument is that we don’t have another history to corroborate
Luke on whether there was a rebel who fits in this group of names in the right
era. (See Paul Barnett, The Birth of Christianity,
199-200.) But then we don’t have external corroboration for Josephus’ Theudas
either (unless you count Luke!). To be fair, Josephus says that in the era
effectively before 6AD (in the days of Herod) there were was a huge number of
rebellions led by people he doesn’t name. Luke may be filling in one of those
blanks. This is the passage in Josephus Antiquities Book 17.10.4:
‘Now at this time there were ten thousand other disorders in Judea, which
were like tumults: because a great number put themselves into a warlike
posture, either out of hopes of gain to themselves, or out of enmity to the
Jews. In particular two thousand of Herod’s old soldiers, who had been already
disbanded, got together in Judea itself, and fought against the King’s troops:
although Achiabus, Herod’s first cousin, opposed them. But as he was driven out
of the plains into the mountainous parts, by the military skill of those men,
he kept himself in the fastnesses that were there, and saved what he could.’
And Josephus reports that multiple Simons and multiple
Judases led rebellions in the era Luke is referring to, so the possibility of more
than one Theudas can’t rationally be dismissed out of hand. Acts would be the
only thing in the historical record that gives us this Theudas, but at least we
have circumstantial corroboration in terms of an era where he fits perfectly.
2) Here we will come to the next paragraph in the same book,
Antiquities 17. Someone may suppose that the original name in Acts has got
scrambled somewhere along the line in the copying of Acts. In Acts, Gamaliel
was originally telling the story of two
Galileans, both called Judas, to shame the apostles. The explanation would
be a hypothetical manuscript error in the copying of the Bible. This is argued
as follows:
‘Acts 5:37 is
corrupted: ‘Theudas’ should actually read ‘Judas”. Why is this probable?
Josephus mentions an insurrection of a Judas, son of Hezekiah, and another one by Judas the Galilean.
Josephus mentions an insurrection of a Judas, son of Hezekiah, and another one by Judas the Galilean.
These two were
‘real’ revolts’, which upset the Roman authorities quite a bit. In contrast,
Theudas [in Josephus] was not a revolutionary, he was a charismatic prophet.
In Gamaliel’s speech
in Acts, it makes sense if he refers to violent revolts, not to Jewish
prophets.
An overzealous
scribe could have easily switched Theudas for Judah: it would look like a
(scribal) error for Gamaliel to mention Judas twice…’
(Source: a
reader’s comment on http://vridar.org/2016/04/06/josephus-scapegoats-judas-the-galilean-for-the-war/.
You find the same point in a number of commentators but I choose this version
for its succinctness.)
To evidence this, this is Josephus on the story of the other
Judas, son of Hezekiah in Antiquities 17.10.5:
‘There was also Judas, the son of that Ezekias who had been head of the
robbers... This Judas having gotten together a multitude of men of a profligate
character about Sepphoris in Galilee, made an assault upon the palace [there]; and
seized upon all the weapons that were laid up in it, and with them armed every
one of those that were with him; and carried away what money was left there:
and he became terrible to all men, by tearing and rending those that came near
him...’
This is an interesting argument, but the stories again bear
little resemblance. And a key weakness is that we have no textual variant in
the manuscript traditions to the effect of ‘Judas’ changing to ‘Theudas’ in Acts
5.
3) Or it’s a manuscript error in Josephus’ Book 20 (the name
occurs only in this passage in Book 20, and only twice). It’s easier to imagine
a later Christian scribe clumsily reconciling Book 20 with Acts 5 than it is to
overcome all of the problems inherent in trying to make these two stories literally
the same story from one source. But we have so little by way of manuscripts for
Josephus that we can’t expect to be able to trace hypothetical variants in
Antiquities like this.
4) Or… either Luke or Josephus simply got the name itself
wrong in their story.
5) Or… if you think you can overcome the seemingly
insurmountable problems, Luke ripped it off from Josephus.
Take your pick. The truth is that we shall probably never
know which, if any, of these is the correct explanation for why Luke and
Josephus use the same name, Theudas. That’s a bit unsatisfactory but loose ends
like this are the bugbear of the historian’s trade. There are almost always
loose ends when we write the history of anything.
A control: what does Luke do where we can trace his use of source material?
It would be amiss not to mention that an important control is available to this study. We can actually test Luke's behaviour where the relationship between Luke and prior written sources is irrefutably present. We can then compare this with evidence of how Luke handles material that he has in common with Josephus. And the difference could not be more stark: Luke is almost slavish in relying on Q material and Mark's Gospel by comparison; whereas when Luke and Josephus have common interest in an episode, there is barely more than the odd word occurring in both, and hardly the sort of words showing evidence of copying one from the other. This is demonstrated adequately elsewhere (link),and I may add more later. No claim that Luke copied from Josephus is robust unless it can overcome this hurdle.
As a final note, I’d like to quote Emil Schurer (from back in 1876!): “Either Luke had not read Josephus, or he had forgotten all about what he had read.” (Schurer, “Lucas und Josephus,” Zeitschrift für wissenschaftliche Theologie 19, 582-83.)
Footnote: Why Josephus is untrustworthy on Judas the Galilean
Josephus was an accomplished spin doctor. He sneakily shifts the blame for the War (66-70AD) away from Jerusalem aristocrats such as himself (the likely suspects) to convenient scapegoats from the past (6AD). Of course, it’s far-fetched for Josephus to shift the blame back 60 years, but he had to keep the noose away from his own neck somehow. The Romans would have suspected his potential role in the outbreak of the war.
A control: what does Luke do where we can trace his use of source material?
It would be amiss not to mention that an important control is available to this study. We can actually test Luke's behaviour where the relationship between Luke and prior written sources is irrefutably present. We can then compare this with evidence of how Luke handles material that he has in common with Josephus. And the difference could not be more stark: Luke is almost slavish in relying on Q material and Mark's Gospel by comparison; whereas when Luke and Josephus have common interest in an episode, there is barely more than the odd word occurring in both, and hardly the sort of words showing evidence of copying one from the other. This is demonstrated adequately elsewhere (link),and I may add more later. No claim that Luke copied from Josephus is robust unless it can overcome this hurdle.
As a final note, I’d like to quote Emil Schurer (from back in 1876!): “Either Luke had not read Josephus, or he had forgotten all about what he had read.” (Schurer, “Lucas und Josephus,” Zeitschrift für wissenschaftliche Theologie 19, 582-83.)
Footnote: Why Josephus is untrustworthy on Judas the Galilean
Josephus was an accomplished spin doctor. He sneakily shifts the blame for the War (66-70AD) away from Jerusalem aristocrats such as himself (the likely suspects) to convenient scapegoats from the past (6AD). Of course, it’s far-fetched for Josephus to shift the blame back 60 years, but he had to keep the noose away from his own neck somehow. The Romans would have suspected his potential role in the outbreak of the war.
So, the blame conveniently falls on long ago commoners from
far away backwater Galilee, and in particular this Judas the Galilean,
cleansing Josephus and his chums of any trace of blame. Pure spin.
Here again is part of it in Josephus’ Antiquities 18:
Judas and Sadduc, who excited a
fourth philosophic sect among us… which we were before unacquainted withal…
See how Josephus distances himself from his scapegoat, by
saying that people like himself had never previously heard of this new
philosophy that caused Jerusalem’s downfall. But…
Josephus can’t be trusted in these accounts. From one book
to another, he rewrites this history to suit himself, contradicting himself. In
another earlier work of his, called War,
Josephus similarly tried to get away with blackening the reputation of Judas
the Galilean alone as chief trouble-maker. Writing subsequently in Antiquities,
he has to subtly change his story. First, this from War 2:4:1-2 (no one suggests that this was Luke’s source):
a
certain Galilean, whose name was Judas,
prevailed
with his countrymen to revolt…
This
man was a teacher of a peculiar sect of his own,
and was not at all like the
rest…
For there are three
philosophical sects among the Jews. . . . [and Judas started a fourth]
So that was the earliest of Josephus’ versions of this
story. But later, writing in Antiquities 18, Josephus changes his story.
Although he manages to keep his main trouble-maker as a backwater Galilean –
distant from the Jerusalem elite – something has pressed Josephus to concede
some key details that mean trouble was closer to home than he first wanted to
admit. This is serious. Josephus is rewriting his own spin. Something has
dragged this out of Josephus. Perhaps the earlier version just didn’t wash with
people.
In his revised version in Antiquities 18, Josephus still
tries hard to distance himself from his scapegoat. But now it turns out that
the trouble wasn’t just down to Judas. The story changes from the former “This
man was a teacher of a peculiar sect [philosophy] of his own” to this new
version: “Judas and Sadduc, who excited a fourth philosophic sect among us”.
Two ringleaders, then.
It gets worse, as said. The earlier version gave the
impression that the root of all the troubles was far away from the Jerusalem
elite, a Galilean. Now it turns out that it’s not so clean-cut. More than just
backwater hicks of the distant past had been calling for the land of Judea to
be freed from the power of Rome, for now it turns out that this co-conspirator
Sadduc was actually a Pharisee:
“taking with him Saddouk, a Pharisee”. Yes, a Pharisee is now in the frame too
– part of the upper part of society. So, you can’t just pass this off merely as
a backwater revolt. Something has forced this out of Josephus.
In Antiquities 18, the story has changed from the safe
“Judas was not at all like the rest” to the less safe “These men agree in all
other things with the Pharisaick notions”. Sounds like the rebels weren’t quite
so different from the upper part of society after all. And that reveals a
further issue, because Josephus had claimed in War that Judas the G invented a
philosophy previously unknown to the
great and the good. Now it turns out that a Pharisee was a part of it from
early on. So it wasn’t quite so unknown.
It’s also curious how Josephus switches locations with which
he wants to chiefly identify Judas: Galilee? Gamala?
When you change your story, your motivations come into
question, and indeed your version of events.
Another thing. Josephus in general can go skimpy on his
details when it suits his agenda. That is characteristic of him. But given how
crucial Josephus makes this story out to be, it’s a bit funny that Josephus
never gets round to saying where Judas was actually active, what his revolt
actually was meant to look like, what was the military response and by whom was
it undertaken (Herod? the Romans?), or whether Judas was ever caught. Strange
for a story that Josephus places great weight on. It looks like a card trick.
Josephus wants us convinced that he’s dealt us the cards fairly, but he is
keeping the rest of the deck hidden. It suggests Judas didn’t do as much as he
claimed.
The point of all this is to say that one cannot just assume
that we can trust Josephus over Luke in telling these stories. Luke’s basic
material, which is not used to explain the history of a century, is simple to
accept. Josephus, however, makes out that this is crucial history and then
becomes strangely hazy and inconsistent on the details.
Credits
http://vridar.org/2016/04/05/did-josephus-fabricate-the-origins-of-the-jewish-rebellion-against-rome/
http://christianthinktank.com/qtheudy.html
http://www.billheroman.com/2010/02/gamaliels-galilean-theudas.html
Also see
http://christiancadre.blogspot.com/2010/08/jrp-vs-pervo-vs-luke-vs-josephus-vs.html
https://www.douglasjacoby.com/qa-1527-theudas/
Firstly it is not JUST the evidence of the plagiarism - or otherwise - from Josephus, it is the patent falsification of the record of Paul's post-conversion actions.
ReplyDeleteSecond is your statement that the interrogation of the Disciples happened in the 30's. You I see no evidence in the text to support this claim other than the claim that Gamaliel was present, something for which there is zero evidence.
Next Judas the Galilean was not found after the battle - so how is it known he died?
An early date for Luke is insupportable because of the accounts of martyrdoms that either never happened or happened long after 64 CE
Strangely your certainty contrasts with the certainty of those such as Ehrman and Crossan that Luke is late - both assert, with far more authority than yourself, Markean Priority and Mark is certainly round the time of 70CE. You might be proposing imaginary L or Ur-Luke sources but the only evidence for these is convenience.
All I can see in this post is special pleading based on your desire to "prove" Luke's originality
Steampunk Gentleman
Thank you for taking the time to read and reply to my post. I've addressed issues around the dating of Luke-Acts in other posts in my blog - please do take a look.
DeleteOn your first paragraph, what are you referring to as 'patent falsification', please? I may have dealt with it elsewhere.
On your last point above, which testimony are you referring to, that says that Judas was not found after the battle, so that I can deal directly?
Many thanks.
Colin
Pointless argument since Jesus and the disciples never existed.
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