In fact, surprising as it may sound, we can't say with any certainty that we have any Roman text written specifically during 30-33AD about anything, never mind about Jesus. If anyone knows better, and does know any surviving Roman text definitely written between 30-33AD about anything at all, please let me know. (This lack of anything may come as a surprise to those who thought that first century Judea is really well documented in surviving Roman texts. No, it isn't. Official records of Roman Judea written pre-70AD are lost - that is why no-one on either side of this debate ever quotes from them.
The idea sometimes expressed that the Romans kept meticulous records from which Jesus is absent falls away. This is because no such test has ever been done. This is because no Roman records written in Roman Judea during Jesus life - meticulous or otherwise - on any subject at all have ever been found. Without an evidence base, no test can be done on 'meticulous Roman records'. Jesus has not been found to be absent from any such records. There are no extant records to be absent from.
I explain more in another blog post. (The said post also digresses to explain the striking absence of any Roman writings bothering to mention a certain man who wrote autobiographically that miracles accompanied his own ministry - yes, another miracle worker was spreading word about his own miracles around the Mediterranean - only to be completely ignored by all surviving Roman sources; no, it's not Jesus. But that's another story. And it's in the other blog post. The point here simply being that even when we know that word got around about such an extraordinary thing in the ancient world, no surviving Roman records record the fact.)
Since there is nothing such to test, naysayers pin their hopes of showing Jesus to be conspicuously absent by testing authors who are not a startlingly obvious case to be writing about Jesus in the first place. But anyway.
These are the six writers anyway. I'm leaving off this particular list a seventh, St Paul (who was significant as an initially independent (former) non-Christian who had heard of Jesus and was opposed to the Jesus movement; and who was also a contemporary of Jesus, as explained in the timeline here, and wrote the earliest surviving writings about Jesus). The list of six:
- Columella – born in Spain C. 4AD – wrote about agriculture, which is his eligibility for the list gone! He was in Syria a few years after Christ, but that isn’t the stuff of a gardening book.
- Florus Lucius – born in north Africa – no-one knows when - wrote a dodgy history of Rome up to Augustus (Augustus died in 14AD): that is, his story ends before Christ was a public figure. That’s his eligibility gone.
- Paterculus – born in Italy before Christ, possibly died about the time Christ was embarking on his ministry, died too soon to have heard of Christ. He wrote a Roman history ending before Christ was a public figure. He barely merits a place on this list.
- Philo – born before Christ, and died after Christ (a certainty since he wrote about the Emperor’s blasphemous antics of 39/40AD). A resident of Alexandria in Egypt. A philosopher, not a chronicler. Given that he didn’t even mention Gamaliel, to demand that he would have to mention Jesus is a bit adventurous. But really he is the only notable candidate to reflect on. (To quote Bart Ehrman: "“We do have the writings of the important Jewish philosopher Philo from the early to mid-first century. He never mentions Jesus, but we would not expect him to do so, as Christianity had probably not reached his native Alexandria by the time of his death in 50 CE." (Bart Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist?, pg 57.)
- Seneca the Younger – born in Spain in 4BC and raised in Rome. His more famous work is on philosophy and plays for the theatre. He didn’t write on our topic, and it is not thought that he was a published author until after the time of Christ. In any event, the case would generally have to be based on the dubious premise that Seneca was interested in writing about things that he did not believe. It's blindingly obvious that Seneca did not believe any Christian claims that reached his ears. We know this because if he had believed such claims, then he would have become a Christian. He did not become a Christian. Therefore, we know that even if he heard of such claims, he did not believe them. Seneca to my knowledge was not interested in writing about things he didn't believe. It's altogether an odd argument to try to make out from this kind of thing that Jesus didn't exist. (It is suggested by some sceptics - without actual evidence - that Seneca would have heard of Jesus from his brother Gallio if Jesus existed, some time between 51-65AD. However, the only available evidence indicates that Gallio was spectacularly uninterested in getting into the subject. (See Acts 18:12-17.) So Gallio is the least likely candidate to be spreading word about Jesus. We are in the realm of suggestions for suggestions' sake.
- Valerius Maximus – a contemporary of Christ, but his work mainly mentions famous Romans. It may well have been published before Christ was a public figure anyway. He barely merits a place in this six.
Aside from Remburg's list, it has been suggested to me that I also consider a few others whose lives overlapped with some portion of Jesus' life: the Emperors Augustus, Tiberius and Caligula; Aulus Cremutius Cordus, Seneca the Elder, Gallio, and a couple of writers who I deal with further below. The list is more strained here. Firstly, Augustus and Aulus Cremutius Cordus were dead before Jesus' public phase had even begun, so we can rule them out unless they were zombies writing posthumously. As for Tiberius' writings, all that survive are fragments of quotes in Tacitus and his like. Nothing to see here. (I could also mention that Tiberius' lost writings were used as the basis for a biography about him, but what good is that?) Caligula was barely 20 years old by the time Jesus was dead, so quite what he was supposed to be writing is anyone's guess. (By the way, what do we have contemporaneous with and about Caligula's reign? No writings of his own, but only the works of Philo and Seneca that mention him. Sceptics are appealing to evidence that doesn’t exist when they try to avail of Caligula’s writings. Where is there any credible methodology in their doing so?) As for the spectacularly uninterested Gallio - see above - and what writings of Gallio could anyone be referring to anyway?
That leaves only Seneca the Elder to pin hopes on. He died in the same decade as Jesus, about 37-39AD. None of his surviving works (link there for you to see for yourself) are obvious candidates.
- St Paul and other authors whose works are collected in the Bible (over two dozen texts) mention Christ. Paul in particular was a contemporary: he lived at the same time that Christ was said to be living. And Paul had some independence on the matter, having come to it first as an opponent of the church. He wrote about Jesus' life-story post-his own conversion but his knowledge went back to before his conversion, back to when he was persecuting members of the church. But Remsberg doesn't list Paul.
- Damis – first century, if he existed at all. Some scholars think Damis’ writings were a forgery, written in the first half of the early 3rd century (written by Philostratus, born c. 170AD). There is no mention of Damis prior to the 3rd century.
- Justus of Tiberius – born in Galilee, active in the second half of the first century. None of his writings survive anyway so we can’t check what they say. Photios said (in the 9th century) that they didn’t mention Christ.
- Lysias – who? Which one? Listed by Remsberg but I am unable to identify him at all.
- Phaedrus – famous for putting Aesop’s fables into verse, but where and when he was born is unknown. File under mid-first century.
- Quintius Curtius – nothing is known about this author except that he wrote about Alexander the Great, probably mid-first century.
- Josephus – born in Jerusalem in 37AD, Jewish historian, mentioned Christ in Ant. 20: 200-203 (see chapter 9 at the link there), as well as in a more controversial passage which Remsberg conveniently labels a forgery.
- (Remsberg also did not mention Mara bar Serapion – a letter probably written after 70AD by a philosopher from Syria – possibly mentions the death of Christ, but the jury will always be out on this one.)
- Writers of satirical poetry: Martial, born in Spain c.40AD; Persius, born in Italy about 34AD; Petronius, born about 27AD – no-one knows where. I’m afraid you don’t expect to find Palestinian Jews on this bookshelf.
- Writers of epic poetry: Publius Papinius Statius, born in the 40s, his main poem being about Oedipus’ sons; Valerius Flaccus, his main poem in the 70s, Argonautica, being about Jason and the Golden Fleece, and died about 90AD; Silius Italicus, born about 28AD, possibly in Spain or Italy. I’m afraid you don’t expect to find Palestinian Jews on this bookshelf either.
- Dion of Prusa/Dio Chrysostom – born after Christ died, in Turkey (Bithynia) in the 40s. Wrote particularly on political, moral, and philosophical subjects. Much of his historical and philosophical work hasn’t survived. Much else has, but not on our subject area.
- Lucanus (Lucan) – born in Spain in 39AD, a poet of works unrelated to the matter in question here. His surviving works are on Julius Caesar and Pompey (century before Christ) and a tribute to a member of a leading Roman family. Committed suicide in 65AD. Not a prime candidate for material on a Palestinian Jew.
- Pliny the Elder – born in Italy in 23AD. His main surviving work is his Natural History. Another bookshelf where you don’t expect to find a Palestinian Jew.
- Pompon Mela – Spanish geographer, of unknown years.
- Quintilian – born in the 30s in Spain, wrote about Roman education and oratory. Learn about the skills of classical orators here. Not a place to look for a Palestinian Jew.
- Theon of Smyrna – Probably born after Christ’s death, in light of his dying about 135AD – may be a second century writer. An author of works on mathematics and philosophy.
- Lucian – born in Turkey in the second century (c. 120AD), he mentions Christ and Christians in The Death of Peregrine 11-15.
- Phlegon – second century writer, he mentions Christ according to Origen (Against Celsus, book 2, chapter 14), but the work referred to is lost.
- Tacitus – born in the 50s, perhaps in northern Italy. He mentions Christ., although Remsberg conveniently labels this a forgery
- Pliny the Younger – born in Italy in 61AD, he was a lawyer. He mentions Christ.
- Suetonius - born about 69AD, probably in Italy, wrote about the Roman Emperors, and little else survives of his work. Possibly mentions Christ, but the jury will always be out on whether or not Chrestus (Latin) refers to Χριστός (Greek spelling of Christ) in Suetonius.
- Appian – born in the 90s in Alexandria, Egypt, writings not about the historical period in question.
- Arrian – born in the 80s in Asia Minor, wrote about Alexander the Great (a hero of a few centuries before Christ), so again not the historical period in question.
- Aulus Gellius - born, probably in Rome, about 125AD. It’s typical Romano-Greek subject matter.
- Epictetus (his real name unknown) – born in the 50s in Turkey (Phrygia) and moved to Greece, taught philosophy. His philosophical teachings were actually written by his pupil, Arrian in the second century. We’re still very much with typical Romano-Greek culture.
- Ptolemy – born in the 90s, lived in Alexandria, Egypt, wrote notably on astronomy, geography and mathematics.
- Favorinus, born C. 80s in France. A philosopher, and only fragments of his work survive.
- Hermogones – born in Turkey (Tarsus) in the mid-second century, famed for his work The Art of Rhetoric. Learn about the skills of classical orators here. Not a place to look for a Palestinian Jew.
- Juvenal – born in Italy in the second half of the first century, wrote grisly comic satires. I studied these in Latin for my classics degree. Not an author where you would expect to find mention of Christ.
- Pausanias – born in the second century, possibly in Turkey (Lydia), a geographer who wrote about Greece. Not promising material, this, is it?
- Plutarch – born in Greece about 46AD. He especially wrote comparisons of Greek and Roman figures. No room for a Palestinian Jew there then.
And that's it. The Remsberg list is shambolic. It doesn't stand up to scrutiny. It doesn't do what it says on the tin. And here's the thing. Sceptics, it seems to me, want others to see themselves as the sensible ones, the people who can smell the coffee. How anyone can not detect the smell when Remsberg's list is under their noses is beyond me! It is not enough to think of yourself as a sensible sceptic - you need the evidence and analysis skills to go with it. Copying and pasting the Remsberg list is a sign of scepticism for its own sake. Trying to get to the truth of things - that is the difficult task, and that is what my blog is about.
For my blog gathering data from the ground up about the existence of the Palestinian Jew Jesus, start here.
You are here - Did Jesus Exist? 2b. Were ancient authors silent about Jesus' existence?
Did Jesus Exist? 2c. Outside the Bible, does anyone else say Jesus existed?
Did Jesus Exist? 2d. What about these authors then, Josephus, Tacitus and Pliny?
Did Jesus Exist? 3a. What did St Paul know about the life story of Jesus?
Did Jesus Exist? 3b. Why didn’t St Paul say more about Jesus?
Did Jesus Exist? 3c. Did Peter and Paul talk about Jesus?
So when did St Paul persecute the church? (And when did Jesus die?)
Did Jesus Exist? 4a. So then: what about the people who were interested in Jesus before Paul was?
Did Jesus Exist? 4b. What did people know about the life story of Jesus before Paul came on the scene?
Did Jesus Exist? 5. Did Paul invent Jesus?