This post is to show that Father, Son and Spirit are
'co-eternal.' As it says in the Athanasian Creed.
But some confusion arises from what 'eternal' even means in
English, so I'm laying the ground below. And I have to start with two Bible
words: aionion; and aidios.
What's in a word? - aionion
Below, we will see that Father, Son and Spirit are each
described as 'aionion' in Scripture. So what does that Greek word mean?
It is an adjective based on a noun that means a period of
time; often a defined period as in 'an age', but sometimes an undefined time.
It's sometimes translated as 'everlasting.' (And in the YLT as 'age-during'.)
So that's more or less what that word meant in those ancient times.
So that's a Greek word.
Long ago, Jerome translated the Bible from Greek into Latin
(i.e. the Latin Vulgate Bible). Stay with me here. When he came to the word
aionion, he rendered it by the Latin word aeternas. So Father, Son and Spirit
are 'aeternas' in the Vulgate.
The Latin word aeternae gives us the English word eternity.
And this English word does still carry the original meaning related to aevum
('age'), and that's usually when the indefinite article ('an eternity') is used
with it. For example, when we say something like 'I spent AN eternity in that
queue', meaning 'I spent an age in that queue.' We also see it in idioms such
as calling romantic love 'eternal love' meaning 'everlasting love.' So you can
see there is still a connection from the biblical meaning of the word to modern
usage.
But since those early days, a lot of interest has developed
in other concepts connected to the word 'eternal', especially from philosophy.
For example, some English-speaking people read 'eternal' as meaning something
philosophical. Going beyond the words of the creed, they take 'eternal' to mean
something like 'outside of time.' This has a sound basis and I talk about it in
another post. (By the way, some philosophers use 'eternal' to mean 'out of
time,' while others use 'eternal' to mean limitless time.)
What's in a word? - aidios
Whether the philosophers' concept of eternity has any
correlative in Scripture is another question. It is difficult to find it in the
Hebrew Bible to be sure. Some say that God is eternal in the 'non-time' sense
because of the word 'aidios' in Romans chapter 1, but only if it has much to do
with what philosophers think of as 'eternal'.
One important thing about 'sidios' is that in Romans 1:20
this word is not used to directly describe God as eternal, but to describe
God's power as eternal. According to the Bible this power is Jesus (1
Corinthians 1:24) - Jesus is the eternal power of God. This power is also
associated with the coming of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:8, Acts 10:38) because it
is the power of the Holy Spirit too (Romans 15:13). 'Power' is also used as a
substitute for the name of God directly (Mark 14:62). So the link with power and
eternal power runs right through a Bible understanding of Father, Son and
Spirit.
Let's look for example at what is said about Jesus,
Jesus
Jesus is 'everlasting' if you compare how the Greek of 1
John 1:1-2 deliberately parallels the description of Jesus in the gospel of
John 1:1-2. Here's the parallel:
The epistle 1 John 1:1-2
... from the beginning.....the Word of life.......the life
everlasting......was with the Father....
... ap arkes....................tou logou tes zoes.....ten
zoen ten ainion......en pros ton patera ....
Gospel of John 1:1-2
....in the beginning.........was the
Word..................and the Word.........was with God ...
....en arke........................en ho
logos......................kai ho logos...........en pros ton theon ...
It is evident from the parallel that from the one called
'life everlasting' is in fact the same person called 'the Word'. The Word is
know to be the person Jesus.
So, it is evident that the everlasting Word is Jesus. Note
that the phrase 'in the beginning' was the available expression meaning the
furthest back imaginable moment. From the beginning, the Word was everlasting.
So now let's look at Father, Son and Spirit together, to see
how they could be co-eternal.
Father, Son and Spirit - eternal
So let's build up the picture of who is eternal from
Scripture. On Jesus, and the Holy Spirit, and God the Father:
- As seen, Jesus is described with the
Greek word 'aionion' (1 John 1:2) - he was eternal 'from the beginning' (v.1).
And Hebrews 1:2 adds that God 'made the ages through him.' Yes, 'the ages'
('tous aionas')! There was no such thing as ages until the 'ages' were made through
Jesus. So Jesus did not come into being in any age. He made the ages. He is
'aionion', eternal.
- The Holy Spirit is described using the
word 'aionion' (Hebrews 9:14).
- God: 'aioniou theou' (Romans 16:26), and
we all recognise the Father as God.
It would be to ignore Scripture to deny that Father, Son and
Spirit are 'aionion', i.e. the three are aionion.
They are co-eternal, which is saying something more. As the
Trinity, they have a shared existence. It's a shared eternal existence. That's
why the creed says they are co-eternal.
Co-eternal: where the word comes from
I mentioned that Jerome translated the Bible into Latin, and
when he came to the Greek word aionion, he rendered it by the Latin word
aeternas. So Father, Son and Spirit are aeternas in the Vulgate. Well, the
Athanasian creed was written after Jerome, also in Latin:
'...tres personae coaeternae...'
In the light of the above, we can understand it meaning
'three co-everlasting persons'.
Back-translate it into Greek and - instead of three who are
'co-aeternae' - you get three who are effectively co... aionion. That's three
co-everlasting persons. That is nicely in harmony with 1 John 1:2, Hebrews 9:14
and Romans 16:26.
By the way, more or less the same arguments apply to any
discussion of the Latin 'aequalis' (and coaequalis) which is prone to be
misunderstood if read simply as the word 'equal' of modern English.
Further reading:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/finaltorah.html
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/source/quicumque.html
My book God in 3D: Finding the Trinity in the Bible and the
Church Fathers discusses how the term co-eternal fits in the story of God's
temple presence. See pages 196-97 for example.
Could I ask you to respond to this I saw some week of Jacksons to the gospels and I needed you to respond to this please
ReplyDeleteIt begins with Mark having Jesus say literal stories that are false are told to keep the secret allegorical truth hidden that will only be told to initiates. Just as Plutarch says the Osirians did with the biographies of Osiris.
Then Matthew “embellishes” Mark’s technique by adding allusions to the things he is saying fulfilling scripture, thus further disguising the truth but making it now look like scripture.
Then Luke takes this a step further and instead of making the allegory look like scripture, he makes it look like actual history, using all the markers of historical writing, but still never explicitly saying that what he is preserving is literally true rather than the correct allegory (the correct version of “the parable” of Jesus).
Then, for the first time ever, John comes along and outright says it’s not allegory, it’s literally true, and you’d better believe it because it’s literally true. Indeed a perfect example of this is how John takes Luke’s parable of Lazarus and turns it into a literal historical event that was never recorded before. I discuss this in Chapter 10.7 of OHJ.
You’ve lost track of the argument then. Mark 4 is a cipher that explains they are representing their story as history to disguise the truth from outsiders. Just as other religions did (e.g. Osiris cult). What John does differently is stop doing that: he denies he is doing that and insists what he says is literally true and is to be taken as literally true even by believers. And he is the first author ever to say that.
Thus it goes:
Mark writes an extended parable to disguise the teaching.
Matthew makes it look like scripture to disguise the teaching.
Luke is then the first to make it look like a history to disguise the teaching.
The John is the first to insist he isn’t disguising anything but writing what even insiders had better regard as literally true.
That’s the sequence of events.
The story gets more concretely historical over time.
Which is the opposite of what we should expect. We should first have mundane memoirs and letters about Jesus and his impact and the controversies about him among those meeting or confronting him. Then this evolves into more elaborate mythical legends. Just as happened with Alexander the Great. Instead we get elaborate mythical legends right out of the gate. Skipping everything else. And then gradually those legends are wrapped more and more to look like history, and then finally are insisted upon as history.
No, Mario, the same standards do not lead to doubting the historicity of Alexander the Great.
This has been extensively explained already. Read the damned book. It’s very affordable. If you keep making arguments showing you haven’t even read the book, and keep failing to respond to those arguments, I will permanently ban you from making blog comments.
You’ve been warned.
Everything you just said, Mario, is false.
You’ll discover that fact when you read my section on the evidence for Alexander in OHJ.
But you won’t get to comment on it further here. You are banned for persistent misbehavior against repeated warnings